Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, plus

ANGELIDAKIS: yes from this

ANGELIDAKIS: whatever that means a

"estroide": I'm from the femtedim world in eduverse, feeling really inferior being a tourist here

ANGELIDAKIS: I know the feeling "estroide": I'm a bit early anyway - for the 'party', so I guess I ought to feel odd

ANGELIDAKIS: when is the "party" ANGELIDAKIS: dunno the time diff ommm: hello miltos

"estroide": party= Artist Miltos Manetas addresses the 3D avatar Forum

ANGELIDAKIS: yes I know "estroide": hi ommm, I was formerly known as skejs!!

ommm: is that you Miltos (knock)?

ommm: hello estoride (skejs)

"estroide": I met mjson 'live' in copenhagen some time ago - great to see your fellow avatars in RL ommm: oh, you finally met mjson!!

"estroide": yeah, very nice guy ommm: hope mjson will join us today

"estroide": yes ommm: estroide, remind me, are you now in sweden?

"estroide": yes, I remeber you, i have been in denmark, copenhagen all the time,and still am

ommm: oh, that's right! copenhagen ommm: we met 2 yrs ago??

ANGELIDAKIS: who's from sweden?

"estroide": ommmm, you got me on that, any hints to aid my memory?

ommm: angelidakis, are you in sweden?

ANGELIDAKIS: nope, but I will be in Stockholm on the 2rd-6th May, for a lecture at the Architecture School

ommm: were you at the u of copenhagen?

"estroide": me? yes

ommm:

Angelidakis: do you want to introduce your real persona?

ANGELIDAKIS: umm its me

ommm: hehe

ANGELIDAKIS: no persona

orsino: Hello, I'm Robert Hamm at UC Santa Barbara--I work with the Digital Cultures Project.

ommm: clear persona, no filter?

Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, "suga"

ommm: welcome Robert to your first CyberForum!

ommm: Angelidakis: have you been to a forum before?

orsino: Thanks--I'm anxious to see what happens

ANGELIDAKIS: Omm: no, first time ommm: hello Monad

Monad: Hi Ommm! ommm: monad is Matthew? orsino: Hi, what are you two studying?

Monad: Yes Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, Manetas

Manetas: Here I am

"estroide": hi orsine, hi manetas orsino: Welcome!

"estroide": hi monad ommm: hello miltos manetas (on a bike) "estroide": who's hotep (my favoite avatar)?

ANGELIDAKIS: ahhh official manetas

Manetas: Hello to everybody...

ommm: where are you now Miltos? in the lab at Art Center in Pasadena?

Manetas: In the EO at LA, chinatown Monad: hI ESTROIDE ommm: what's the EO gaga: is that where Eddo works?

"estroide": why don't we introduce ourselves, I'm a ph.d. scholar working with children building 3D world........ or maybe you all know eachother..?

Manetas: The electronic orphanage

Manetas: www.electronicorphanage.com

"estroide": hi

gaga - I know you from my former identity as skejs ommm: skejs had a big influence on our forums last year "estroide": thanks (blussing9 gaga: ah, I was just writing about you yesterday!! nice to see you (once you've loaded) Monad: I am an artist/MFA student at Art Center. (see: www.interlog.com/~metalogo/) Monad: Hi Gaga Monad: ! "estroide": I'm at www.psyk.ku.dk/estrid gaga: yeah, if you want to tell me more about you I'd love to hear it. aren't you in europe? Manetas: This is the first meeting in ++ history!! gaga: this is tobey as gaga ommm: hey, welcome Tobey! orsino: ++ history? gaga: nice to be back in the Fold (he he he) Manetas: Virtual : ) orsino: thanks (blush) Monad: World++ Manetas: It just started.. ommm: Let's begin our first April CyberForum!! angelidakis: architect, in the team of chelsea and world++ www.angelidakis.com ommm: what a bright beginning here in Miltos's world++ Manetas: Today we have with us the other creator of CHELSEA, Andreas Angelidakis gaga: so is this a foyer by Matt? Monad: No Manetas: And also, Francois Perrin ommm: great to have you here Andreas, where are you physically today? Manetas: He will be here soon Monad: Look up . . . . way up! "estroide": bowing for angelidakis ommm: this is a wonderful spot to enter 3D architecture! angelidakis: New York\ ommm: but the signage is not clear, can you architects explain? angelidakis: it is in progress ommm: to where is it progressing? angelidakis: perfection "estroide": lol angelidakis: ;)\ Manetas: A double of the real World "estroide": double? ommm: really? with traffice and pollution? angelidakis: a simulation of nothing Manetas: As you may all know, real world is just the part of the world that affect us Manetas: we want to build that part in ++ Manetas: Let out the rest ommm: that is indeed a plus Manetas: Elite ommm: the chosen parts ommm: such as....? Manetas: Open to everybody ( to watch) "estroide": the rest? Manetas: classic "its me ..short": hi.. ommm: do you plan to allow visitors to build? Manetas: the rest is not part of reality Manetas: Only selected visitors will build "estroide": the things that do not affect us? "its me ..short": what kind of world is this? Monad: There is a particular cprogram to the building being permited? ommm: so do you hope people will return even though they cannot leave their mark? "McFly": omm, r u mike? "its me ..short": A/S/L..EVERY 1 ommm: yup, mc Manetas: I am not so interested in communication "McFly": this is jason Manetas: More on the "building" aspect angelidakis: sometimes a visit is a mark ommm: so, Miltos, is this more of a broadcast world (one way)? "estroide": My McFly, interesting you have a new name - I was skejs, great to see you again ommm: angel: does the visit stay behind in some way? angelidakis: no Manetas: both way for selected.. the others casn be visitors which is great.. "estroide": Angel, can u tell what's the purpose of this world, or who is working on it, why? ommm: oh, so the selected are the artists? gaga: I notice that the avatars don't seem to have the gestures Is it me or just the way they are currently set up? Manetas: Not only.. Its open to everybody we really want to deal with angelidakis: working on it: Francois Perrin, Miltos Manetas and Andreas Angelidakis + guests orsino: deal with in what sense? angelidakis: The prupose is to change the world "estroide": wouww! Manetas: see them and talk them and see their output ommm: isn't it always changing already? gaga: lol "estroide": we have ATTACK doing that in europe "estroide": sure, ommm ommm: can you tell us more estroide about ATTACK? Monad: The real world or artworld . . . or both-as-one? angelidakis: well, maybe control is a better word Manetas: forget artworld : that's just the excuse : ready made images you see... gaga: wow! all so programmatic! Is this the tool influencing the content ot what? gaga: or Manetas: The idea is to build a little society "estroide": Briefly, ATTACK is a NGO trying to aking a new political agenda - postmodern kind of politics, Manetas: programmatic : our times are programatic: its fun.. angelidakis: treat the world as NEW ommm: billionaires for Bush? "estroide": I don't believe they are succeding very well, but at least it is good having former left wing beliving in new ways of making politics, big thig in EU Manetas: ++ has very basic ideas... gaga: as long as the programmers really understand what they are doing Manetas: Which are of course in perpetual change.. Monad: Postmodernism by definition, can not be new. The new is Modern . . . no? Manetas: Please, lets avoid 20th centrury cliche.. ommm: can we go to New York or Milan or Tokyo from here? orsino: a better way to phrase it? gaga: let's go! Monad: Post-postmodern? "estroide": rignt, I'm not in favour of that either, but like people trying new ways "estroide": lets go ... where? francoisperrin: pretty crowded today gaga: I don't know...i am listening to unreleased Jimi Hendrix while we speak...it sounds pretty fresh for being in the can 30 years ommm: this entry has a very beautiful look as an entry space.... gaga: yes it does...who made it? ommm: each quadrant pulls us out further ommm: can we go down any of these tunnels? ommm: or is it an illusion? "estroide": let's rock LA? Monad: Yes it is nice . . . makes me want to fan out in all directions at once. Monad: Wish I could. ommm: the birdie avatar wants to fly through ommm: i see francois has had a hand in this entry way orsino: I just realized everyon is floating!?! Manetas: We are all building under francois this moment ommm: what can we click on today? ommm: this is a floating world!! francoisperrin: hi miltos and andreas angelidakis: hi francois ommm: great work here, francois! francoisperrin: it is the big crowd today Monad: No grass? Manetas: Hello Francois gaga: that must make us the Flowers, if htis is the Floating world... ommm: so tell us, francois, how did you build this entry way? Totoro: This birde imagines the space looks great....but with only 8megs of videoram, it does not. francoisperrin: what is the talk about, need some help "estroide": Angel, the moving squares are very dominating - is that a part of changing the world, how? angelidakis: yes francoisperrin: it is really dangerous those days to come up with new concepts in aw "estroide": dangerous? gaga: how so? francoisperrin: i would like to tell you, but you could be sued by some angry architects !!! "estroide": come on!! ommm: do you plan to have art publications in world++? gaga: is this an intellectual property issue all of the sudden? Manetas: I hate intellectual property francoisperrin: in fact you will find all the info about custom building in the aw website Manetas: everything digital belongs to all "McFly": i agree "McFly": including mp3 francoisperrin: for sure, only some people think they own aw orsino: always back to audio? Manetas: also all images gaga: you mean you have a management problem or a collaborator problem? Manetas: images are free because they can be seen francoisperrin: i agree to do some public talk about new buildings in aw Monad: That may be so, but there are still moral rights that must be respected, such as the right to identity. orsino: so is music free because it can be heard? ommm: launch forth, francois, we are all ears! Manetas: identity is what survives on time : no way to protect it orsino: is concumption, the ability to be consumed, the issue? francoisperrin: what do you want to know, are you familiar with aw building "DiMMagio": sup mother fuckers angelidakis: what about authorship? ommm: identity must be backed up by credit card (fiduciary responsibility), no? Manetas: music is also free gaga: I am sure that some of us are familiar with authoring FP orsino: what makes music free? "McFly": what's that? Monad: No right is absolute in as far as all rights rely on others upholding them. gaga: what do you want to tell us? Manetas: it can be heard Manetas: and copied "McFly": and shared Manetas: everything that can be copied is free by definition' "DiMMagio": whats gooin down fuckers "estroide": HEYYYY I want to hear about this world, Angel, please tell... "DiMMagio": NEVER "McFly": dimmagio is a classic example of abusing shrouded identity "DiMMagio": yep ommm: so miltos, can you give us a further tour to another spot? "DiMMagio": Virtual art MY ASSSS "DiMMagio": kiss it (l) gaga: can someone eject the tourist please? Manetas: I love DiMMagio "DiMMagio": i will leave orsino: what are the rules for ejecting someone from this place? angelidakis: estroide, I just designed the lobby, not the rest of the world. That was done by Francois Perrin "estroide": Noooo, I'm a turis as well, please just mute him/her Manetas: Lo ejections Manetas: No ejections "DiMMagio": i'm expressing art "DiMMagio": it sucks ass ommm: can we move from lobby to....? "McFly": with displeasing others orsino: are we now on to free speach? gaga: lol "estroide": great lobby, what made you built it this way, angel? "McFly": why , out of all the colors didi you choose black? gaga: yes, what is a seven sided structure called again? gaga: prime number on purpose? ommm: let's all go down one of the blue corridors together...which one? angelidakis: estroide: what do you mean? Monad: Art is for everyone, as is power, and responsibility. Monad: It is a circle. Monad: who me? gaga: this one has all these signs....will these be links ? Manetas: Only LA is active Manetas: Click on LA ommm: let's go down LA! mjson: ok "McFly": yes ommm: am i on a freeway? "estroide": I mean, you could have designed this lobby in 1000 of ways, what made u make it like this, what were your associations? Your inspiration? ommm: i see exit signs....;-) "estroide": lets go LA gaga: I really like the white recatngles orsino: the signs are great gaga: which become signs in the right place for reading... Manetas: Only Chinatown is active : ) "McFly": whqat do you mena by active? "Amos": hey can any of you guys tell me ladybunny or lightfoot are online? "McFly": that we can go in? ommm: let's go to Chinatown! gaga: hey groovy i clicked on chinatown and now I am elsewhere! Manetas: Join me gaga: beautiful cube in the sky!!!!! ommm: cool! angelidakis: estroide: just trying to visualize teleporting I guess. The rotating tunnels are "links to come".LA is the active one at the moment Manetas: Our idea is to keep the connotations of the real space "McFly": how do u get into chinatown?\ Manetas: Make neighborhoods based on the art neiborhoods "estroide": ok, angel, thanks "McFly": just double click? gaga: this is gorgeous this thing...who made it? ommm: hello mjson Manetas: keep the map of the real locations mjson: it's just like riding on harbor freeway, suddenly you're in chinatown Manetas: and give them their spaces for free mjson: hi ommm! "SUMITAGARWAL": Is there anyone from ACCD around Manetas: then, build studios and offices on the air.. gaga: this is really cool "SUMITAGARWAL": someone who could guide me towards the online forum?? "McFly": yep..i am accd gaga: join me "SUMITAGARWAL": hi Mc Fly ommm: let's join gaga "McFly": hi "SUMITAGARWAL": I'm from SCIarc "SUMITAGARWAL": Ireceived an email from M Heim..... ommm: welcome from SCIarc! gaga: look inwards "SUMITAGARWAL": about an online forum.. "SUMITAGARWAL": hi mike "SUMITAGARWAL": this is Sumit Agarwal gaga: Monad, so is this an image from GZ? "SUMITAGARWAL": My pleasure mjson: cool "McFly": welcome Monad: Yes gaga: nice echo-location baby angelidakis: sciarc nice "estroide": heeeelp I'm lost someone tell me how to get to chinatown? Monad: I have my webcam pointed at the screen, so you see some of what I do. mjson: very esoteric Monad: with some lag. Manetas: (to "Alien") Click on chinatown gaga: yet it loads allright which has been a challenge to others in the past gaga: looking straight up thru the structure is nice too ommm: Monad, is this a good place to view your cube? Monad: Tom Mancusowas the first artist to use Video in AW that I know of. "McFly": there are some people who still have troulbe getting into chinatown..please tell us what to do Monad: Just the cube. francoisperrin: click on electronic orphanage gaga: yeah, as far as i know, but it was not so easy Monad: It too references the real, but can exist nowhere but here . . . where ever "here" is. "SUMITAGARWAL": hey..how do I get to the forum ommm: so, Monad, your webcam is pointed at your screen now that shows the Cube in Chinatown in world++??? Monad: Ah . . . I have to think about that. ommm: Monad is 3d artist Matthew Denis Richard Sloly, the Cube guy "estroide": ok, I'm here, I just didn't reckon this was china town, someone please tell me what is 'chinatown' about this? Monad: It is also showing my screen. ommm: okay, what is Chinatown about this, anyone? Monad: ? gaga: yeah, i was thinking to myself that this was too too simialr to Matt's work not to BE matt! ommm: Chinese boxes? Manetas: Chinatown is just the location in LA where all these new galleries are.. "estroide": lol ommm Monad: Well, art is shown there . . . here . . . ommm: oh, yes, i see Manetas: Its a little road called Chung King Road "estroide": challenging (politely): how does this change the world? "estroide": ok, maybe stupid question, it _is_ interesting art!! Manetas: It doesn't need to have anything chinese... Monad: I am in my studio at Del Mar. Monad: Pasadena Monad: I am making the work, live. angelidakis: where in ++ is your webcam though? ommm: i can see avatars in the texture, but the texture is semi-transparent gaga: isn't it manetas on the ski bike? You make a great repeated shape Monad: yes. Immigration Officer: You are being joined by orsino. Monad: Miltos, invited me to make this work here. Immigration Officer: You are being joined by gaga. angelidakis: wow its beautiful ommm: so world++ is becoming an art gallery Monad: I think it is great that he is making this space availible to native digital art, as this is so often never done. ommm: yes, the work is created in and for the 3D world Monad: Don't ask me. ommm: not transplanted into the 3D world gaga: I am on the ground looking up and you can see the screen image nicely from here...still distorted but recognizable ommm: yes, this is a great view ommm: come down and join gaga ommm: and then look up by using PgUp key Monad: In as far as you see the analogue artifacts of my physical screen . . . as site. orsino: who cruched me? gaga: I am going into this building over there so join omm instead for hte view Monad: but the where of here is not resolvable. ommm: "the where of here is not resolvable" Monad: That is the queston I am asking ommm: good title for an art work francoisperrin: nice work monad Monad: Urbanism is not something I have been thinking about . . . Monad: Could you elaborate? gaga: so there are also images in these buildings down here manetas francoisperrin: we should have meet, i was doing studio visit in del mar in december gaga: these are galleries with lnks and 'offerings' that are current shows? Manetas: yES Monad: Next time your in LA . . or here. Monad: ' gaga: like the MOCA show and some NYC/LA galleries francoisperrin: i am still in la, i will do other visit next qurter gaga: what was their reception at first to your proposal to show here? Monad: Sure! francoisperrin: you can check some spaces i am designing at world : clima Monad: I will. Monad: Have we missed the train? Where is everyone now? gaga: this transparent pink mountain range is nice gaga: like a scrim into a black box ommm: well, our CyberForum #1 in April is coming to a close Manetas: iF YOU ALL JOIN ME HERE, THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL ROLLING SCULPTURE BY aNGELIDAKIS gaga: it says it belongs to francois Immigration Officer: You are being joined by orsino. Monad: Yes it is! ommm: let's join Manetas Immigration Officer: You are being joined by ommm. Immigration Officer: You are being joined by gaga. Immigration Officer: You are being joined by mjson. francoisperrin: don't trust the names!! Immigration Officer: You are being joined by Jitterbug. Manetas: iSN'T IT FANTASTIC ? gaga: yeah i know how that goes... ; - ) Immigration Officer: You are being joined by gaga. ommm: looks good looking out from inside Manetas: iTS SUCH A aw MONUMENT ! ommm: you are all floating particles "SCIarc": so are U Manetas: aNDREAS LOVES FLOATING ommm: motes of dust in the light ommm: in the phosphorescent light "McFly": is this how heaven's gionna look like? Manetas: yES ! gaga: like a slice of lime jello mjson: this conveys concreteness, thought I would hurt my head walking into it Immigration Officer: You are being joined by Monad. angelidakis: this is supposed to be the seed for New York gaga: ah so mjson was psychic! concrete for the concrete! orsino: are the walls of the structure [ermeable? "SCIarc": Seed for new York.... "McFly": i truely feel like i am part of the vast space of universe orsino: that's permeable? "Baddest Chick": Howdy mjson: where is new york Manetas: aw is the only place where I really enjoy a large number of people.. "Baddest Chick": Howdy ppl "Baddest Chick": This world looks funny "McFly": why don't we all move at the same time? mjson: me too, because i can mute them here :) (just kidding) "McFly": it will look cool "Baddest Chick": What would look cool Monad: Fun "Baddest Chick": BYE YA ALL "Baddest Chick": I don't like this world ommm: so, Miltos, maybe we should return here in 3 months to see ommm: what you have done with NY, Milan, Tokyo, etcetera... "SUMITAGARWAL": is there any feedback between the physical urban space and the virtual? ommm: do you have a timeframe? Manetas: check it out... angelidakis: who is conducting this forum? Manetas: ASAP is the time frame ommm: haha ommm: we have had a fun forum here today, seeing new things ommm: and hearing your dreams Manetas: OMMM ommm: thank you so much, builders of world++ for gaga: applause for the forum ommm: sharing your visions with the CyberForum@ArtCenter gaga: applause for all the efforts and hard work ommm: next week Wednesday we meet again mjson: *clapping* "SCIarc": Thanks Mike Monad: Yes . . thanks Miltos. Manetas: thank you ommm: see you there orsino: thanks to all! "SUMITAGARWAL": out ommm: and yes, thank you all, old friends and new Monad: Thanks Mike! Manetas: see you all in eO : www.electronicorphanage.com ommm: for joining us today in the virtual world "McFly": i will see you all next wednesday for the 2nd forum angelidakis: thank you indeed gaga: yay!!! Manetas: check the updates gaga: we will! such a great beginning! "McFly": sure Manetas: (to francoisperrin) so many people!! gaga: bye y'all... Manetas: (to francoisperrin) Funny francoisperrin: if anyone interested helping us talk to miltos "McFly": bye ommm: bye all!! ommm: see you next week!! "estroide": bye Mcfly, bye ommm francoisperrin: great indeed, it is a relief to me Monad: Sure . . . mjson: bye ommm Manetas: bye Mike... Manetas: I invited also Roche but he didn't show up : ) francoisperrin: we will talk of this later francoisperrin: let us meet sometimes Manetas: (to francoisperrin) I am hungry : lets have lunch : I can come to take you francoisperrin: ok Manetas: (to francoisperrin) In 15 min francoisperrin: i am hungry too francoisperrin: ok fine Manetas: (to francoisperrin) Ok, I am coming then.. Manetas: Bye everybody. Come back soon Cube3: hello? mjson: bye manetas